Totally double standards, I agree. Miguel, if you support Donbas, it makes logical you support partition of Spain too?

Interesting how people fail to see the wider picture (probably lack of history knowledge) and thus put dogs and frogs in the same basket. Or, this is just a provocative question with intentions. .
If you turn back to the history a bit, you would reali…

I am not an expert in Catalonia, but I see a suppression of people who feel themselves a separate nation, with own language and culture, old name was Aragon. So, why disrupt referendum? Look at Briatain, they let Scotland vote, and it did not separated…

Spain is an abusive husband who can’t let his old wife go….

So, unconstitutional referendum and secession is OK but legitimate and legal approach in changing or amending the constitution, which Catalonia also signed and recognized at the time is – suppression of popular will?

It is like divorce. Sometime man want to keep his wife but wife wants to be with another men…

These issues are not about “logic” but about circumstances. In 1938 Hitler used the pretext of self-determination to justify the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia. But the main question was not about self-determination, but about the peace and security of Europe, then being menaced by Hitlerite Germany.

But if Europe is one block, basically one country now, why do we worry so much about redrawing borders? And look at Slovaks and Chechs, they split in the 1990s, peacefully, without any Hitler….

Vlad P. Vlad i only supported Donbass people because objectively this people are being massacred with heavy artillery all the days for 3 years already. And because in Kiev was a violent coup against the Ukrainian constitution. I don’t support them for their separatism but for their right to survive. Something like this is not happening in Spain.

Miguel, I know you are a diplomatic guy 🙂 I just visited Independence Hall where U.S. was created in Philadelphia, and looked at some historical facts how it was created by the people who lived there at the time….It was plain separatism, and not everybody supported it. And they had a war lasted several years and finally defeated the British. Just like in Donbas or Catalonia, or any other place like that….

Vlad I was speaking here with locals. They didn’t initiate the maidan and they were pretty comfortable inside Ukraine before the conflict started. Actually they were making business with Russia but also with Ukraine and Europe. Before the maidan it was not a separatist movement here.

Miguel, I agree with you partially. The trade elite in Donetsk wants everything to go back where it was before the war. Because it is difficult to make business during the blockade. But we also wanted independence from Ukraine since breakup of USSR. We…