Reposting from my friend Aleksandra Helena, a cute and clever social activist from Poland ” This is not that Russia or pro-Russian activists…


Reposting from my friend Aleksandra Helena, a cute and clever social activist from Poland ” This is not that Russia or pro-Russian activists supported (or not) Catalonian referendum. It is more that we wonder about the double standards for the Western and Eastern Europe. In the East the countries became divided into pieces, while whole world shouted ‘Freedom for this, freedom for that, freedom for Kosovo’. Russians were always stigmatized for any action against the protesters, even if nobody got injured. Honestly speaking the word as such a power that the tongue starts working and the brain slows down, and I doubt that we, Eastern European nations, have anything to say about the Spanish/Catalonian problem. We just want to be left alone when the others, who don’t understand our problems, are interfering.Politics is not a 0-1 problem, but a real chess board.” #gonzoblogger

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Vlad P. Vlad

October 5, 2017

Totally double standards, I agree. Miguel, if you support Donbas, it makes logical you support partition of Spain too?

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    Solajic Slobodan

    October 5, 2017

    Interesting how people fail to see the wider picture (probably lack of history knowledge) and thus put dogs and frogs in the same basket. Or, this is just a provocative question with intentions. .
    If you turn back to the history a bit, you would reali…

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    Vlad P. Vlad

    October 5, 2017

    I am not an expert in Catalonia, but I see a suppression of people who feel themselves a separate nation, with own language and culture, old name was Aragon. So, why disrupt referendum? Look at Briatain, they let Scotland vote, and it did not separated…

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    Vlad P. Vlad

    October 5, 2017

    Spain is an abusive husband who can’t let his old wife go….

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    Solajic Slobodan

    October 5, 2017

    So, unconstitutional referendum and secession is OK but legitimate and legal approach in changing or amending the constitution, which Catalonia also signed and recognized at the time is – suppression of popular will?

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    Vlad P. Vlad

    October 5, 2017

    It is like divorce. Sometime man want to keep his wife but wife wants to be with another men…

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Solajic Slobodan

October 5, 2017

Interesting how people fail to see the wider picture (probably lack of history knowledge) and thus put dogs and frogs in the same basket. Or, this is just a provocative question with intentions. .
If you turn back to the history a bit, you would reali…

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Vlad P. Vlad

October 5, 2017

I am not an expert in Catalonia, but I see a suppression of people who feel themselves a separate nation, with own language and culture, old name was Aragon. So, why disrupt referendum? Look at Briatain, they let Scotland vote, and it did not separated…

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Vlad P. Vlad

October 5, 2017

Spain is an abusive husband who can’t let his old wife go….

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Solajic Slobodan

October 5, 2017

So, unconstitutional referendum and secession is OK but legitimate and legal approach in changing or amending the constitution, which Catalonia also signed and recognized at the time is – suppression of popular will?

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Vlad P. Vlad

October 5, 2017

It is like divorce. Sometime man want to keep his wife but wife wants to be with another men…

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Michael Jabara Carley

October 5, 2017

These issues are not about “logic” but about circumstances. In 1938 Hitler used the pretext of self-determination to justify the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia. But the main question was not about self-determination, but about the peace and security of Europe, then being menaced by Hitlerite Germany.

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    Vlad P. Vlad

    October 5, 2017

    But if Europe is one block, basically one country now, why do we worry so much about redrawing borders? And look at Slovaks and Chechs, they split in the 1990s, peacefully, without any Hitler….

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Vlad P. Vlad

October 5, 2017

But if Europe is one block, basically one country now, why do we worry so much about redrawing borders? And look at Slovaks and Chechs, they split in the 1990s, peacefully, without any Hitler….

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Miquel Puertas

October 5, 2017

Vlad P. Vlad i only supported Donbass people because objectively this people are being massacred with heavy artillery all the days for 3 years already. And because in Kiev was a violent coup against the Ukrainian constitution. I don’t support them for their separatism but for their right to survive. Something like this is not happening in Spain.

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    Vlad P. Vlad

    October 5, 2017

    Miguel, I know you are a diplomatic guy 🙂 I just visited Independence Hall where U.S. was created in Philadelphia, and looked at some historical facts how it was created by the people who lived there at the time….It was plain separatism, and not everybody supported it. And they had a war lasted several years and finally defeated the British. Just like in Donbas or Catalonia, or any other place like that….

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    Miquel Puertas

    October 5, 2017

    Vlad I was speaking here with locals. They didn’t initiate the maidan and they were pretty comfortable inside Ukraine before the conflict started. Actually they were making business with Russia but also with Ukraine and Europe. Before the maidan it was not a separatist movement here.

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    Vlad P. Vlad

    October 5, 2017

    Miguel, I agree with you partially. The trade elite in Donetsk wants everything to go back where it was before the war. Because it is difficult to make business during the blockade. But we also wanted independence from Ukraine since breakup of USSR. We…

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Vlad P. Vlad

October 5, 2017

Miguel, I know you are a diplomatic guy 🙂 I just visited Independence Hall where U.S. was created in Philadelphia, and looked at some historical facts how it was created by the people who lived there at the time….It was plain separatism, and not everybody supported it. And they had a war lasted several years and finally defeated the British. Just like in Donbas or Catalonia, or any other place like that….

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Miquel Puertas

October 5, 2017

Vlad I was speaking here with locals. They didn’t initiate the maidan and they were pretty comfortable inside Ukraine before the conflict started. Actually they were making business with Russia but also with Ukraine and Europe. Before the maidan it was not a separatist movement here.

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Vlad P. Vlad

October 5, 2017

Miguel, I agree with you partially. The trade elite in Donetsk wants everything to go back where it was before the war. Because it is difficult to make business during the blockade. But we also wanted independence from Ukraine since breakup of USSR. We…


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